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Benjamin Kerns

Ben (co-host) is a writer living in Florida with his wife and their cat. He edits the Magazine1 literary magazine. He writes fiction with a penchant for the weird and unexpected.

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Emily Donovan

Emily (co-host) is writer living in Colorado with several struggling houseplants. She writes jokes disguised as literary fiction.

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Carmen from Julia Armfield's debut novel Our Wives Under the Sea isn't necessary for the plot, but Emily got obsessed anyway (of course). In this episode, we discuss bringing side characters to life and using them to establish themes that your point-of-view character is too clueless to pick up on.

Our Wives Under the Sea: How to Establish Themes When Your Point-of-View Character is Clueless

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